Comments on: Carp Baiting Strategies on a New Water http://www.questbaits.com/blog/baiting-strategies-on-a-new-water/ Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:18:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Pat Gillett http://www.questbaits.com/blog/baiting-strategies-on-a-new-water/comment-page-1/#comment-973 Pat Gillett Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:36:45 +0000 http://www.questbaits.com/blog/?p=912#comment-973 Hi Shaun, I used the Maximum Action Pellet in my feeders alongside bits of boilie and mini halibut pellets both last winter and the one before and caught barbel from the Upper Trent, Lower Severn and Warwickshire Avon whilst doing so. Never tried them as paste around the bait though has i have plenty of confidence in using the boilie base mix paste that you supply (the tubs of special crab paste for example). May be worth a try this winter though ! Cheers, Pat Hi Shaun,
I used the Maximum Action Pellet in my feeders alongside bits of boilie and mini halibut pellets both last winter and the one before and caught barbel from the Upper Trent, Lower Severn and Warwickshire Avon whilst doing so. Never tried them as paste around the bait though has i have plenty of confidence in using the boilie base mix paste that you supply (the tubs of special crab paste for example). May be worth a try this winter though !

Cheers,
Pat

]]> By: Shaun http://www.questbaits.com/blog/baiting-strategies-on-a-new-water/comment-page-1/#comment-972 Shaun Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:13:00 +0000 http://www.questbaits.com/blog/?p=912#comment-972 Me again! Just remembered we have a video clip of how quick and easy it is to turn the Maximum Action Pellets to fast dissolving paste. You will find it here http://www.questbaits.com/docs/videovault/winterfishing/index.html Best wishes Shaun Me again!

Just remembered we have a video clip of how quick and easy it is to turn the Maximum Action Pellets to fast dissolving paste. You will find it here http://www.questbaits.com/docs/videovault/winterfishing/index.html
Best wishes
Shaun

]]> By: Shaun http://www.questbaits.com/blog/baiting-strategies-on-a-new-water/comment-page-1/#comment-971 Shaun Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:03:11 +0000 http://www.questbaits.com/blog/?p=912#comment-971 I know you were quite surprised at Malvoisine in August when I tied a Maximum Action Pellet Bag up and got you to clip it on to your rig for a cast - almost instant take after a few hours of inactivity. Not heard of many barbel anglers using them but they really lend themselves to river work in my eyes. Rapid disolve and flavour trail from the pellet then a slower but good flavour trail from the paste followed eventually by the subtle long term release from the apple cored boilie. Incidently last winter I caught some carp locally by turning the Maximum Action Pellet to paste. This is done within a couple of minutes by simply pouring a little lake/river water on them and moulding them together into a paste form. This gives the same rapid break down as the pellets but allows them to be catapulted further or used as I did in the margins as a triple break down bait. which was made up thus... 1 -Apple core boilie 2 - Cover it with conventional paste 3 - put a final coating of Maximum Action Paste over the top. The Maximum Action paste really does dissolve rapidly so long casting and big leads can fetch it off. To get around this one I found by making them in advance and drying them for a short period they with stood a little more abuse. Just an idea.... Shaun I know you were quite surprised at Malvoisine in August when I tied a Maximum Action Pellet Bag up and got you to clip it on to your rig for a cast – almost instant take after a few hours of inactivity.
Not heard of many barbel anglers using them but they really lend themselves to river work in my eyes.
Rapid disolve and flavour trail from the pellet then a slower but good flavour trail from the paste followed eventually by the subtle long term release from the apple cored boilie.
Incidently last winter I caught some carp locally by turning the Maximum Action Pellet to paste. This is done within a couple of minutes by simply pouring a little lake/river water on them and moulding them together into a paste form. This gives the same rapid break down as the pellets but allows them to be catapulted further or used as I did in the margins as a triple break down bait. which was made up thus…
1 -Apple core boilie
2 – Cover it with conventional paste
3 – put a final coating of Maximum Action Paste over the top.
The Maximum Action paste really does dissolve rapidly so long casting and big leads can fetch it off. To get around this one I found by making them in advance and drying them for a short period they with stood a little more abuse.
Just an idea….
Shaun

]]> By: Ron Key http://www.questbaits.com/blog/baiting-strategies-on-a-new-water/comment-page-1/#comment-970 Ron Key Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:48:03 +0000 http://www.questbaits.com/blog/?p=912#comment-970 Hi Shaun, I've not used them for barbel fishing yet. I've just watched your video again and judging by the activity as they break down, they really improve the effect I've been trying to achieve with groundbait and boilie crumb. Carp fishing will take most of my time this winter but I'll certainly be giving them a try in the last couple of months of the river season. Cheers Ron Hi Shaun,

I’ve not used them for barbel fishing yet. I’ve just watched your video again and judging by the activity as they break down, they really improve the effect I’ve been trying to achieve with groundbait and boilie crumb. Carp fishing will take most of my time this winter but I’ll certainly be giving them a try in the last couple of months of the river season.

Cheers Ron

]]> By: Shaun http://www.questbaits.com/blog/baiting-strategies-on-a-new-water/comment-page-1/#comment-969 Shaun Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:26:46 +0000 http://www.questbaits.com/blog/?p=912#comment-969 Hi Ron and Pat. Have either of you tried the Maximum Action Pellets in your feeders? The Derwent Barbel certainly liked them. If you check the cold water tank clip on the Quest website http://www.questbaits.com/docs/videovault/maxaction/index.html you can just imagine that cloud of feed stimulation travelling a long way down river - particularly useful if you perhaps need to draw fish from a seemingly long featureless stretch. Shaun Hi Ron and Pat.

Have either of you tried the Maximum Action Pellets in your feeders?

The Derwent Barbel certainly liked them. If you check the cold water tank clip on the Quest website http://www.questbaits.com/docs/videovault/maxaction/index.html you can just imagine that cloud of feed stimulation travelling a long way down river – particularly useful if you perhaps need to draw fish from a seemingly long featureless stretch.

Shaun

]]> By: Ron Key http://www.questbaits.com/blog/baiting-strategies-on-a-new-water/comment-page-1/#comment-968 Ron Key Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:15:47 +0000 http://www.questbaits.com/blog/?p=912#comment-968 Hi Pat, I totally agree with your comments I usually only barbel fish on short evening sessions and blanks are pretty rare. On the bigger rivers like the Trent I do tend to give the swim more time before moving. The frequent recasting of the feeder does not have the impact that it can on the shallower more intimate venues. I will cast sometimes every 10 minutes or so for a couple of hours or more to build that attractive food trail in the current and pull the fish towards my hookbait. At least the activity keeps me busy and warm in the winter. This method is particularly useful when the fish are holding up in snags. You can bait an area well up stream of the snags and draw the fish to where you can catch them safely. Cheers Ron Hi Pat, I totally agree with your comments I usually only barbel fish on short evening sessions and blanks are pretty rare.

On the bigger rivers like the Trent I do tend to give the swim more time before moving. The frequent recasting of the feeder does not have the impact that it can on the shallower more intimate venues. I will cast sometimes every 10 minutes or so for a couple of hours or more to build that attractive food trail in the current and pull the fish towards my hookbait. At least the activity keeps me busy and warm in the winter.

This method is particularly useful when the fish are holding up in snags. You can bait an area well up stream of the snags and draw the fish to where you can catch them safely.

Cheers Ron

]]> By: Pat Gillett http://www.questbaits.com/blog/baiting-strategies-on-a-new-water/comment-page-1/#comment-967 Pat Gillett Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:44:31 +0000 http://www.questbaits.com/blog/?p=912#comment-967 Hi Ron, The method you describe in your comment above for river fishing (feeders, mini pellet, biolie and paste)is more or less exactly has i fish through the winter and it certainly catches plenty of fish. I would go so far as to say that if you get the location right in half decent conditions you will nearly always catch fish using this method. If you are not catching fishing as described then there is a good chance your location is not right so it is time for a move. Cheers, Pat Hi Ron,
The method you describe in your comment above for river fishing (feeders, mini pellet, biolie and paste)is more or less exactly has i fish through the winter and it certainly catches plenty of fish. I would go so far as to say that if you get the location right in half decent conditions you will nearly always catch fish using this method.
If you are not catching fishing as described then there is a good chance your location is not right so it is time for a move.

Cheers,
Pat

]]> By: Ron Key http://www.questbaits.com/blog/baiting-strategies-on-a-new-water/comment-page-1/#comment-966 Ron Key Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:50:58 +0000 http://www.questbaits.com/blog/?p=912#comment-966 Thanks for the comments guys. I'm sure that the apple coring and paste approach have given me an advantage over the years, particularly in winter flood and coloured water conditions. When river fishing I like to create flavour trails in the current. Initially I used to cast often using open end feeders, flavoured groundbait and crumbed boilie or mini pellets, but eventually I combined this with the boilie and paste. The apple cored boilie and paste make that flavour trail containing tiny bait particles last longer, more time to attract those carp and barbel without disturbing the water. Incidently I've caught barbel on Quest Baits Smoky Fish, Special Crab, and Rahja Spice, can't wait to try the Surf and Turf Thanks for the comments guys. I’m sure that the apple coring and paste approach have given me an advantage over the years, particularly in winter flood and coloured water conditions.

When river fishing I like to create flavour trails in the current. Initially I used to cast often using open end feeders, flavoured groundbait and crumbed boilie or mini pellets, but eventually I combined this with the boilie and paste. The apple cored boilie and paste make that flavour trail containing tiny bait particles last longer, more time to attract those carp and barbel without disturbing the water.

Incidently I’ve caught barbel on Quest Baits Smoky Fish, Special Crab, and Rahja Spice, can’t wait to try the Surf and Turf

]]> By: Pat Gillet http://www.questbaits.com/blog/baiting-strategies-on-a-new-water/comment-page-1/#comment-965 Pat Gillet Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:36:49 +0000 http://www.questbaits.com/blog/?p=912#comment-965 Hi Ron, Your advice about putting in very little bait until you have a chance to 'sum up' the water a littler more is something that i have done for quite a few years now. It appears (especially abroad) that a lot of anglers go in 'all guns blazing' from the off and pile the bait in, taking little notice of the conditions, number of other anglers etc. Far better to fish for one run at a time and build up a picture of whats going on at the venue. By all means pile the bait in if the carp are really having it, but if you pile it in when they are not feeding you will be left with a load of uneaten bait in the swim, thus decreasing your chances even further. The old saying 'you can chuck it in but you can't take it out' certainly rings true. The advice about apple cored or trimmed down boilies covered in paste for barbel fishing is spot on. Has i mentioned in my blog piece on barbel baits this is my favourite method for barbel through the winter months (from now onwards) and is something that has brought me a number of decent fish from the five different rivers i have fished. Cheers, Pat Hi Ron,
Your advice about putting in very little bait until you have a chance to ’sum up’ the water a littler more is something that i have done for quite a few years now. It appears (especially abroad) that a lot of anglers go in ‘all guns blazing’ from the off and pile the bait in, taking little notice of the conditions, number of other anglers etc.

Far better to fish for one run at a time and build up a picture of whats going on at the venue. By all means pile the bait in if the carp are really having it, but if you pile it in when they are not feeding you will be left with a load of uneaten bait in the swim, thus decreasing your chances even further. The old saying ‘you can chuck it in but you can’t take it out’ certainly rings true.

The advice about apple cored or trimmed down boilies covered in paste for barbel fishing is spot on. Has i mentioned in my blog piece on barbel baits this is my favourite method for barbel through the winter months (from now onwards) and is something that has brought me a number of decent fish from the five different rivers i have fished.

Cheers,
Pat

]]> By: Jamie Simpson http://www.questbaits.com/blog/baiting-strategies-on-a-new-water/comment-page-1/#comment-961 Jamie Simpson Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:48:16 +0000 http://www.questbaits.com/blog/?p=912#comment-961 I agree great advice. If you are going to then return to the venue either within a few days or are going to concentrate on that venue for a while then I find it best to put some bait in prior to leaving the venue. If the venue is close enough to home or work then put some in during the week to build their confidence level up and where possible bait up areas that you can monitor if it seems as though the fish are eating it. Cheers Jamie I agree great advice.

If you are going to then return to the venue either within a few days or are going to concentrate on that venue for a while then I find it best to put some bait in prior to leaving the venue. If the venue is close enough to home or work then put some in during the week to build their confidence level up and where possible bait up areas that you can monitor if it seems as though the fish are eating it.

Cheers

Jamie

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