Comments on: The Dangers to Carp of Un-Cooked Particles! http://www.questbaits.com/blog/un-cooked-particles/ Wed, 08 Feb 2012 19:35:53 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Darren http://www.questbaits.com/blog/un-cooked-particles/comment-page-1/#comment-1483 Darren Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:18:29 +0000 http://www.questbaits.com/blog/?p=1927#comment-1483 You are indeed correct Shaun, the Braham & Murray hemp is of human food grade (as is all of their angling orientated products), which is most noticable in their Hemp Oil that is of totally different colouration to almost all of the others sold for the angling market. So confident is the UK agent for them, that he will have no problems at all eating any of the B&M products straight out of the packaging!!!! I will use nothing else in the way of hemp products and I am sure that the fish can tell the difference as since I started using it a couple of years ago, my catch rates have increased quite a bit compared to when I was buying it raw & preparing it all myself. One thing I have found is that the smaller the seed, the higher the oil quantity (& easier it splits wihtout prolonged soaking). As the B&M hemp is grown in the UK, there is no prolonged transport times so the seed is much fresher and contains more oil (it has been seen in the past that containers of hemp imported by sea, have been opened up to discover that the floor of the container is covered in hemp oil that has leeched out of the seed in transit!). After finding out all of this information (and it is verified information), my mind is made up completely to only buy hemp from B&M - regardless of the cost. You are indeed correct Shaun, the Braham & Murray hemp is of human food grade (as is all of their angling orientated products), which is most noticable in their Hemp Oil that is of totally different colouration to almost all of the others sold for the angling market. So confident is the UK agent for them, that he will have no problems at all eating any of the B&M products straight out of the packaging!!!! I will use nothing else in the way of hemp products and I am sure that the fish can tell the difference as since I started using it a couple of years ago, my catch rates have increased quite a bit compared to when I was buying it raw & preparing it all myself.
One thing I have found is that the smaller the seed, the higher the oil quantity (& easier it splits wihtout prolonged soaking). As the B&M hemp is grown in the UK, there is no prolonged transport times so the seed is much fresher and contains more oil (it has been seen in the past that containers of hemp imported by sea, have been opened up to discover that the floor of the container is covered in hemp oil that has leeched out of the seed in transit!). After finding out all of this information (and it is verified information), my mind is made up completely to only buy hemp from B&M – regardless of the cost.

]]> By: shaun http://www.questbaits.com/blog/un-cooked-particles/comment-page-1/#comment-1441 shaun Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:27:48 +0000 http://www.questbaits.com/blog/?p=1927#comment-1441 Hi Andy, Sorry if it came across as mis-leading. You have a valid point. My answer was aimed at the original piece from the Daily Express above and was particularly aimed at the use of nuts. As you have brought the subject up though there has been some awful hemp doing the rounds these past couple of years. Very cheap but very difficult to split. I would guess it has been tortured with heat to prevent it from being grown - thus killed off. I have found this to be much less effective than easily split hemp. Does this have a much shorter safe life if it has been 'killed'? I am sure lots of tampering goes off with all sorts of seeds which we don't get to hear about - particularly imported seeds. Most of the hempseed sold in this country to anglers is imported. The few who grow it over here aim it direct into the human food chain. Without checking I belive it is Brahms and Murray (I appologise if I have the name wrong) who produce the biggest crop of hemp seed over here. You won't have the splitting problems with theirs but you will need to pay much more for it. Hi Andy,

Sorry if it came across as mis-leading. You have a valid point. My answer was aimed at the original piece from the Daily Express above and was particularly aimed at the use of nuts.

As you have brought the subject up though there has been some awful hemp doing the rounds these past couple of years. Very cheap but very difficult to split. I would guess it has been tortured with heat to prevent it from being grown – thus killed off.

I have found this to be much less effective than easily split hemp. Does this have a much shorter safe life if it has been ‘killed’?

I am sure lots of tampering goes off with all sorts of seeds which we don’t get to hear about – particularly imported seeds.

Most of the hempseed sold in this country to anglers is imported. The few who grow it over here aim it direct into the human food chain. Without checking I belive it is Brahms and Murray (I appologise if I have the name wrong) who produce the biggest crop of hemp seed over here. You won’t have the splitting problems with theirs but you will need to pay much more for it.

]]> By: Andy Wareham http://www.questbaits.com/blog/un-cooked-particles/comment-page-1/#comment-1438 Andy Wareham Thu, 31 Dec 2009 21:02:34 +0000 http://www.questbaits.com/blog/?p=1927#comment-1438 Sorry Shaun but I think some of that is a little mis leading. I doubt any of the Hemp, Maize, Groats, Parti blends etc that are sold as particles for Carp fishing are of human grade. I do however agree that a high particle diet is not the best thing for a carp and the best quality feed should be used but that does not always mean human grade..... Sorry Shaun but I think some of that is a little mis leading. I doubt any of the Hemp, Maize, Groats, Parti blends etc that are sold as particles for Carp fishing are of human grade.

I do however agree that a high particle diet is not the best thing for a carp and the best quality feed should be used but that does not always mean human grade…..

]]> By: David http://www.questbaits.com/blog/un-cooked-particles/comment-page-1/#comment-1437 David Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:41:01 +0000 http://www.questbaits.com/blog/?p=1927#comment-1437 alex mills, December 30, 2009: Hiya Shaun, Fantastic, well done, brilliant write up, very well thought out. With your years of bait making experience, I agree with you totally, thank you for your honesty and concerns regarding the wellfare of fish. This answers my worries and concerns regarding particle baits. Happy New Year to you, Many thanks and regards Alex and Carolyn david, December 31, 2009: Thanks Shaun. I wonder, would MYCOTOXIN and AFLATOXIN be killed off in the cooking process? If so could that be more of the reason uncooked particles seem to cause more damage (rather than the swelling issue?) Shaun Harrison, December 31, 2009: Hi David, I must be honest and say I have never researched whether or not the cooking would kill off the contamination. I’m sure the powers of Google etc would throw the answers up. I would be inclined to think not or else a lot of grain etc I am sure would end up cooked so as to be able to re-enter the human food chain for maximum profit. Personally I would rather live without doubt when it comes to food and bait. When you are sat there for days on end waiting for something to happen I would rather know my bait is as fresh and as attractive as I can make it, leaving me with out any worries that I could potentially be harming the fish. I touched on my previous post about the dangers of birds eating ‘not for the human food chain’ nuts etc. Still waiting for the TV programme to highlight this. It will certainly be a talking piece the following day…. alex mills, December 30, 2009:
Hiya Shaun,
Fantastic, well done, brilliant write up, very well thought out. With your years of bait making experience, I agree with you totally, thank you for your honesty and concerns regarding the wellfare of fish. This answers my worries and concerns regarding particle baits.

Happy New Year to you,
Many thanks and regards
Alex and Carolyn

david, December 31, 2009:
Thanks Shaun. I wonder, would MYCOTOXIN and AFLATOXIN be killed off in the cooking process? If so could that be more of the reason uncooked particles seem to cause more damage (rather than the swelling issue?)

Shaun Harrison, December 31, 2009:
Hi David,

I must be honest and say I have never researched whether or not the cooking would kill off the contamination. I’m sure the powers of Google etc would throw the answers up.

I would be inclined to think not or else a lot of grain etc I am sure would end up cooked so as to be able to re-enter the human food chain for maximum profit.

Personally I would rather live without doubt when it comes to food and bait. When you are sat there for days on end waiting for something to happen I would rather know my bait is as fresh and as attractive as I can make it, leaving me with out any worries that I could potentially be harming the fish.

I touched on my previous post about the dangers of birds eating ‘not for the human food chain’ nuts etc. Still waiting for the TV programme to highlight this. It will certainly be a talking piece the following day….

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